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	<title>Comments on: The iPhone needs a faster better Safari</title>
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	<description>Ted Landau is the founder of MacFixIt.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 00:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My beef with Safari on iPhone/Touch is not speed it's that it ISN'T the equivalent of Safari on Mac or PC. While the latter two will contect to my institution's protected intranet with no hassles, the iPhone/Touch version doesn't. It prompts for a log in then sits there forever trying to open the page. And this is despite me havingchanged the security settings on the web server because I'm the web master... Very frustrating.

Also, I understand why there is no Flash but I still want it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My beef with Safari on iPhone/Touch is not speed it&#8217;s that it ISN&#8217;T the equivalent of Safari on Mac or PC. While the latter two will contect to my institution&#8217;s protected intranet with no hassles, the iPhone/Touch version doesn&#8217;t. It prompts for a log in then sits there forever trying to open the page. And this is despite me havingchanged the security settings on the web server because I&#8217;m the web master&#8230; Very frustrating.</p>
<p>Also, I understand why there is no Flash but I still want it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1050</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good God people.  Safari on the iPhone probably has limitations due to the fact that it must conserve battery power.  It's not going to load a page as fast as on a desktop Mac and probably never will and to compare them is just stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good God people.  Safari on the iPhone probably has limitations due to the fact that it must conserve battery power.  It&#8217;s not going to load a page as fast as on a desktop Mac and probably never will and to compare them is just stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 12:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I whole heartedly agree the writers assessment. The problem he describes on visiting links and hoping to page back are incredibly frustrating.


And yes, RSS helps, believe me i have a ton of RSS links, but the whole point on the "Internet in your pocket" and the "real Web" is just that, not simply a usable RSS reader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I whole heartedly agree the writers assessment. The problem he describes on visiting links and hoping to page back are incredibly frustrating.</p>
<p>And yes, RSS helps, believe me i have a ton of RSS links, but the whole point on the &#8220;Internet in your pocket&#8221; and the &#8220;real Web&#8221; is just that, not simply a usable RSS reader.</p>
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		<title>By: Yazi</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Yazi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 11:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree w/ many of your points, especially being able to open a link in a new page/tab, and the "80% is finished loading but you can't see it" issue.

I would also like to see the ability to click on an audio link, and have it download and add to the iPod library, to be synced to your computer (maybe as a contextual menu option).

Not related to Safari, internet radio would be nice, too, especially once 3G is implemented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree w/ many of your points, especially being able to open a link in a new page/tab, and the &#8220;80% is finished loading but you can&#8217;t see it&#8221; issue.</p>
<p>I would also like to see the ability to click on an audio link, and have it download and add to the iPod library, to be synced to your computer (maybe as a contextual menu option).</p>
<p>Not related to Safari, internet radio would be nice, too, especially once 3G is implemented.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 10:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="1038"][quote comment="1036"]I get frustrated with Safari at the best of times, let alone on the iPhone.  To me it is just not a complete, full-featured browser that I can use both at home and at work. I don't care so much about how screamingly fast it claims (except on the iPhone) to be - that's not important for what I need to use browsers for.  I want broad compatibility and extensibility and customization without added cost.[/quote]

I'm curious about this - what is it that makes you feel that Safari isn't a full-featured browser?[/quote]

I personally think he is putting the cart before the horse.  Safari is probably the best example of an browser following web standards.  the issue is not with safari, but with websites  that do not follow these standards.</description>
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I get frustrated with Safari at the best of times, let alone on the iPhone.  To me it is just not a complete, full-featured browser that I can use both at home and at work. I don&#8217;t care so much about how screamingly fast it claims (except on the iPhone) to be - that&#8217;s not important for what I need to use browsers for.  I want broad compatibility and extensibility and customization without added cost.</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m curious about this - what is it that makes you feel that Safari isn&#8217;t a full-featured browser?</p>
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<p>I personally think he is putting the cart before the horse.  Safari is probably the best example of an browser following web standards.  the issue is not with safari, but with websites  that do not follow these standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Char</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1046</link>
		<dc:creator>Char</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 10:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="1040"]I think you should consider that your issues with iPhone Safari's rendering speed are likely not entirely software related. The microprocessor in the iPhone is far less powerful than even a bottom-of-the-line Mac. Like orders-of-magnitude less powerful. Additionally, the iPhone has far less RAM, cache memory, VRAM and a much slower graphics chip.
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Bingo! I picked up an iPod Touch and tried it for a couple of months. Raced it with my Macbook Pro on my home wifi in tests and got nowhere near the same performance. I could give the Touch a head start on pulling in a page and then hit the Macbook link and beat it almost every time. I used "new" sites that had not been cached in any way. The Touch frequently seemed like dialup speeds. All this while they were on a 7 Mbit WiFi internet connection.

I think it cannot render anywhere near Macbook speeds and that it has to do with the vastly different hardware. I can't see where you COULD expect a match on complex websites like I tested it with. Simple websites might be OK but most that I visit are annoyingly complex.

People may be in for a BIG disappointment when their G3 iPhone doesn't perform much better on complex sites.</description>
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I think you should consider that your issues with iPhone Safari&#8217;s rendering speed are likely not entirely software related. The microprocessor in the iPhone is far less powerful than even a bottom-of-the-line Mac. Like orders-of-magnitude less powerful. Additionally, the iPhone has far less RAM, cache memory, VRAM and a much slower graphics chip.
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<p>Bingo! I picked up an iPod Touch and tried it for a couple of months. Raced it with my Macbook Pro on my home wifi in tests and got nowhere near the same performance. I could give the Touch a head start on pulling in a page and then hit the Macbook link and beat it almost every time. I used &#8220;new&#8221; sites that had not been cached in any way. The Touch frequently seemed like dialup speeds. All this while they were on a 7 Mbit WiFi internet connection.</p>
<p>I think it cannot render anywhere near Macbook speeds and that it has to do with the vastly different hardware. I can&#8217;t see where you COULD expect a match on complex websites like I tested it with. Simple websites might be OK but most that I visit are annoyingly complex.</p>
<p>People may be in for a BIG disappointment when their G3 iPhone doesn&#8217;t perform much better on complex sites.</p>
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		<title>By: JulesLt</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1044</link>
		<dc:creator>JulesLt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 09:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who regularly uses a 3G data card with a supposed 7.2Mb download rate, I can say that 3G networks are still prone to the same issues.

There is being bounced down to GPRS, but there also times when it says I have a full-strength HDPSA connection and yet I'm receiving zero data.

Basically, the networks are lagging a LONG way behind what we want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who regularly uses a 3G data card with a supposed 7.2Mb download rate, I can say that 3G networks are still prone to the same issues.</p>
<p>There is being bounced down to GPRS, but there also times when it says I have a full-strength HDPSA connection and yet I&#8217;m receiving zero data.</p>
<p>Basically, the networks are lagging a LONG way behind what we want.</p>
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		<title>By: onemoreanimal</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator>onemoreanimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 06:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it IS possible to open links in a new tab by using a bookmarklet.  I've used this trick since last July and you don't need a hacked phone.

Simply google "iphone bookmarklet new tab."  Here's a good site that shows you how...

http://doctyper.com/archives/200707/fixing-a-small-iphone-annoyance/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it IS possible to open links in a new tab by using a bookmarklet.  I&#8217;ve used this trick since last July and you don&#8217;t need a hacked phone.</p>
<p>Simply google &#8220;iphone bookmarklet new tab.&#8221;  Here&#8217;s a good site that shows you how&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://doctyper.com/archives/200707/fixing-a-small-iphone-annoyance/" rel="nofollow">http://doctyper.com/archives/200707/fixing-a-small-iphone-annoyance/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1041</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment="1040"]I think you should consider that your issues with iPhone Safari's rendering speed are likely not entirely software related...No amount of software optimization is going to make it perform like it does on your Mac.[/quote]

No argument here. I thought I made it clear that the problem was the EDGE network...and this is indeed a hardware issue that would affect all Internet applications, not just Safari. My suggested solutions were to improve the network speed (which is being done) as well as to improve the mechanisms Safari uses to compensate for slow speeds. The latter mechanisms *are* software related.

P.S. I also understand that, with a 3G or even a Wi-Fi connection, Safari on the iPhone will still not be as fast as Safari running on a Mac. True. But that's a separate matter from what I covered in the column.</description>
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I think you should consider that your issues with iPhone Safari&#8217;s rendering speed are likely not entirely software related&#8230;No amount of software optimization is going to make it perform like it does on your Mac.</p>
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<p>No argument here. I thought I made it clear that the problem was the EDGE network&#8230;and this is indeed a hardware issue that would affect all Internet applications, not just Safari. My suggested solutions were to improve the network speed (which is being done) as well as to improve the mechanisms Safari uses to compensate for slow speeds. The latter mechanisms *are* software related.</p>
<p>P.S. I also understand that, with a 3G or even a Wi-Fi connection, Safari on the iPhone will still not be as fast as Safari running on a Mac. True. But that&#8217;s a separate matter from what I covered in the column.</p>
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		<title>By: Notting_Hill</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/05/14/the-iphone-needs-a-faster-better-safari/#comment-1040</link>
		<dc:creator>Notting_Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should consider that your issues with iPhone Safari's rendering speed are likely not entirely software related. The microprocessor in the iPhone is far less powerful than even a bottom-of-the-line Mac. Like orders-of-magnitude less powerful. Additionally, the iPhone has far less RAM, cache memory, VRAM and a much slower graphics chip.

I'm not saying that there aren't software issues with Safari that might be slowing down rendering. But, if you expect Safari on an iPhone to render at speeds similar to a Mac, you need to readjust your expectations. No amount of software optimization is going to make it perform like it does on your Mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should consider that your issues with iPhone Safari&#8217;s rendering speed are likely not entirely software related. The microprocessor in the iPhone is far less powerful than even a bottom-of-the-line Mac. Like orders-of-magnitude less powerful. Additionally, the iPhone has far less RAM, cache memory, VRAM and a much slower graphics chip.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that there aren&#8217;t software issues with Safari that might be slowing down rendering. But, if you expect Safari on an iPhone to render at speeds similar to a Mac, you need to readjust your expectations. No amount of software optimization is going to make it perform like it does on your Mac.</p>
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