Comments on: iPhone SDK: More pros than cons http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/ Ted Landau is the founder of MacFixIt. Sun, 12 Oct 2008 11:19:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Ted http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-190 Ted Fri, 07 Mar 2008 16:18:36 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-190 [quote comment="188"]Ted - I'm placing a sidebet than June will also see a revised iPhone to go with the 2.0 software...[/quote] I absolutely agree. It seems all but certain that a 3G iPhone is going to be released this year. Combining its release with the release of iPhone Software 2.0 in June would certainly make sense. This would also allow Software 2.0 to include support for new features in the 3G iPhone, as well as possibly new features that apply to all iPhones, that have not yet been announced. - Ted

Ted - I’m placing a sidebet than June will also see a revised iPhone to go with the 2.0 software…

I absolutely agree. It seems all but certain that a 3G iPhone is going to be released this year. Combining its release with the release of iPhone Software 2.0 in June would certainly make sense. This would also allow Software 2.0 to include support for new features in the 3G iPhone, as well as possibly new features that apply to all iPhones, that have not yet been announced.

- Ted

]]> By: BurmaYank http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-189 BurmaYank Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:36:45 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-189 [quote comment="186"][quote comment="184"]Umm,,, because, like it or not, Flash is ubiquitous on all platforms[/quote] Huh? Ubiquitous? Not hardly--web-capable mobile devices don't support it. [quote] web developers that realize this use Flash for content presentation over WMV or QuickTime files.[/quote] And they're making a mistake by doing so. Flash is [b]not[/b] ubiquitous, is a major system hog, is not standards-based, and is widely reviled as an obnoxious time and system resource waster.[/quote] http://www.ipodobserver.com/story/35058

Umm,,, because, like it or not, Flash is ubiquitous on all platforms

Huh? Ubiquitous? Not hardly–web-capable mobile devices don’t support it.

web developers that realize this use Flash for content presentation over WMV or QuickTime files.

And they’re making a mistake by doing so. Flash is [b]not[/b] ubiquitous, is a major system hog, is not standards-based, and is widely reviled as an obnoxious time and system resource waster.

http://www.ipodobserver.com/story/35058

]]> By: JulesLt http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-188 JulesLt Fri, 07 Mar 2008 11:31:25 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-188 Ted - I'm placing a sidebet than June will also see a revised iPhone to go with the 2.0 software, that may answer some of the remaining hardware criticisms, much as the SDK and Enterprise features have answered most of the software ones. As for jailbreaking - I presume this is actually going to be easier - surely you just pay the $99 to register yourself as a developer, and then compile your apps against your personal certificate, if they are ones Apple don't want to distribute. Someone is bound to automate that tool-chain, and maybe even hack it to work with Windows. But it is going to be such a tiny minority market, I doubt Apple will care to much. Don - web-capable mobile devices = an insignificant proportion of current browsers. Lack of screen resolution OR web standards support on most of them is a far worse issue. And if you look before you leap you will find that the Flash 9 video format IS H.264 - H.264 is simply a codec. I'm guessing what you mean is 'use an MPEG-4 mov file'? Even though, of course, not all web-capable mobile devices can play them (or indeed desktop browsers without the suitable and relevant plugin). Anyway, don't you know that MPEG standards are evil and closed and we should all be using Ogg-Theora now? Ted - I’m placing a sidebet than June will also see a revised iPhone to go with the 2.0 software, that may answer some of the remaining hardware criticisms, much as the SDK and Enterprise features have answered most of the software ones.

As for jailbreaking - I presume this is actually going to be easier - surely you just pay the $99 to register yourself as a developer, and then compile your apps against your personal certificate, if they are ones Apple don’t want to distribute.
Someone is bound to automate that tool-chain, and maybe even hack it to work with Windows. But it is going to be such a tiny minority market, I doubt Apple will care to much.

Don - web-capable mobile devices = an insignificant proportion of current browsers. Lack of screen resolution OR web standards support on most of them is a far worse issue. And if you look before you leap you will find that the Flash 9 video format IS H.264 - H.264 is simply a codec. I’m guessing what you mean is ‘use an MPEG-4 mov file’? Even though, of course, not all web-capable mobile devices can play them (or indeed desktop browsers without the suitable and relevant plugin).

Anyway, don’t you know that MPEG standards are evil and closed and we should all be using Ogg-Theora now?

]]> By: Dave http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-187 Dave Fri, 07 Mar 2008 07:47:28 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-187 i have an iPhone and i dont miss flash one bit. I hate video encoded in it, it just stinks. why would I want it on a phone? Flash suck for web development as well as it cant be spidered. Anyone doing all flash work for anything is a fool. So you can view your flashy home page you built for yourself, flash banner and video and flash slide show?? Boo f*king hoo. Yes keep fighting because of the larger desktop world, but even google concedes that mobile search will surpass desktop searches in 5 years, and right now, the iPhone is responsible for 50 times more search than it next closest competitor. you keep fighting the iPhone from "forcing your hand". just shut up about it, accept you arent forcing anyones hand with your whining and buy a phone that can do flash. Oh that right, there arent any. i have an iPhone and i dont miss flash one bit. I hate video encoded in it, it just stinks. why would I want it on a phone? Flash suck for web development as well as it cant be spidered. Anyone doing all flash work for anything is a fool. So you can view your flashy home page you built for yourself, flash banner and video and flash slide show?? Boo f*king hoo.

Yes keep fighting because of the larger desktop world, but even google concedes that mobile search will surpass desktop searches in 5 years, and right now, the iPhone is responsible for 50 times more search than it next closest competitor.

you keep fighting the iPhone from “forcing your hand”. just shut up about it, accept you arent forcing anyones hand with your whining and buy a phone that can do flash. Oh that right, there arent any.

]]> By: Don http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-186 Don Fri, 07 Mar 2008 04:03:55 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-186 [quote comment="184"]Umm,,, because, like it or not, Flash is ubiquitous on all platforms[/quote] Huh? Ubiquitous? Not hardly--web-capable mobile devices don't support it. [quote] web developers that realize this use Flash for content presentation over WMV or QuickTime files.[/quote] And they're making a mistake by doing so. Flash is [b]not[/b] ubiquitous, is a major system hog, is not standards-based, and is widely reviled as an obnoxious time and system resource waster. [quote]I use Flash for movie and slideshow presentations on sites I build.[/quote] Stop doing that. Use H.264. [quote]The iPhone market isn't going to force my hand at the expense of the larger general desktop world.[/quote] Attaboy! Don't give in! [quote]And, Adobe Flash already HAS dominance.[/quote] It's the beginning of the end...

Umm,,, because, like it or not, Flash is ubiquitous on all platforms

Huh? Ubiquitous? Not hardly–web-capable mobile devices don’t support it.

web developers that realize this use Flash for content presentation over WMV or QuickTime files.

And they’re making a mistake by doing so. Flash is [b]not[/b] ubiquitous, is a major system hog, is not standards-based, and is widely reviled as an obnoxious time and system resource waster.

I use Flash for movie and slideshow presentations on sites I build.

Stop doing that. Use H.264.

The iPhone market isn’t going to force my hand at the expense of the larger general desktop world.

Attaboy! Don’t give in!

And, Adobe Flash already HAS dominance.

It’s the beginning of the end…

]]> By: krquet http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-185 krquet Fri, 07 Mar 2008 03:20:49 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-185 I don't like Flash, never did. I find them resource hogs. In the olden days, whenever I would leave my webpage up on a site rich with flash (flashy banners and what nots) for a few hours unattended, I'd come back to find my system unresponsive on countless occasions. Flash thrived on resident memory and didn't like to release the chunk it consumed earlier. I understand Adobe has improved this with later upgrades, but I still am not convinced. On the Firefox I use the add-ons to disable flash on each of my computers, home and at work. Whenever that I do watch youtube on a PC, I would switch to IE briefly. But I prefer the H.264 for youtube videos via my iPhone and Apple TV. I honestly do. This is not a bash against Adobe or flash with bias. I just am not a fan, and I sincerely appreciate that Apple has chosen not to incorporate/force the flashy banner side of the web on me. However, what with the SDK release now, I do expect Adobe to find a way to incorporate/unleash a flash player on the willing iPhones 2.0x users. I don’t like Flash, never did. I find them resource hogs. In the olden days, whenever I would leave my webpage up on a site rich with flash (flashy banners and what nots) for a few hours unattended, I’d come back to find my system unresponsive on countless occasions. Flash thrived on resident memory and didn’t like to release the chunk it consumed earlier. I understand Adobe has improved this with later upgrades, but I still am not convinced.
On the Firefox I use the add-ons to disable flash on each of my computers, home and at work. Whenever that I do watch youtube on a PC, I would switch to IE briefly. But I prefer the H.264 for youtube videos via my iPhone and Apple TV. I honestly do.
This is not a bash against Adobe or flash with bias. I just am not a fan, and I sincerely appreciate that Apple has chosen not to incorporate/force the flashy banner side of the web on me. However, what with the SDK release now, I do expect Adobe to find a way to incorporate/unleash a flash player on the willing iPhones 2.0x users.

]]> By: Marc http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-184 Marc Fri, 07 Mar 2008 02:45:49 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-184 Umm,,, because, like it or not, Flash is ubiquitous on all platforms and web developers that realize this use Flash for content presentation over WMV or QuickTime files. Ever get pissed off because a site has a stinking WMV file you can't view in Safari? The iPhone is also a web browser for sites NOT written specifically for the mobile market. I hate Flash-only sites, but I use Flash for movie and slideshow presentations on sites I build. The iPhone market isn't going to force my hand at the expense of the larger general desktop world. And, Adobe Flash already HAS dominance. [quote comment="183"]Why would Apple support Flash? It competes with Quicktime. Apple doesn't want Adobe to gain dominance in the Mobile world. Moreover, I could care less. Flash is a constant source of pain for me as it usually used to present me ads. Umm,,, because, like it or not, Flash is ubiquitous on all platforms and web developers that realize this use Flash for content presentation over WMV or QuickTime files. Ever get pissed off because a site has a stinking WMV file you can’t view in Safari? The iPhone is also a web browser for sites NOT written specifically for the mobile market. I hate Flash-only sites, but I use Flash for movie and slideshow presentations on sites I build. The iPhone market isn’t going to force my hand at the expense of the larger general desktop world.

And, Adobe Flash already HAS dominance.

Why would Apple support Flash? It competes with Quicktime. Apple doesn’t want Adobe to gain dominance in the Mobile world. Moreover, I could care less. Flash is a constant source of pain for me as it usually used to present me ads.

]]> By: Terrin http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-183 Terrin Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:21:11 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-183 Why would Apple support Flash? It competes with Quicktime. Apple doesn't want Adobe to gain dominance in the Mobile world. Moreover, I could care less. Flash is a constant source of pain for me as it usually used to present me ads. [quote comment="179"]What's the deal with nobody discussing any plans regarding iPhone's current Flash incapability?[/quote] Why would Apple support Flash? It competes with Quicktime. Apple doesn’t want Adobe to gain dominance in the Mobile world. Moreover, I could care less. Flash is a constant source of pain for me as it usually used to present me ads.

What’s the deal with nobody discussing any plans regarding iPhone’s current Flash incapability?

]]> By: Nick http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-182 Nick Thu, 06 Mar 2008 23:37:39 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-182 I am still left wondering about the state of future iphone media capabilites, and synchronization with a Mac. Obviously developers are given access to the media, and networking stacks. Should this translate to easy implementation of a WiFi sync between iTunes and the iphone? What about API access to the internal ipod library? Will we be able to write apps to automatically download podcast updates over-the-air? And what about media streaming? using this sdk, are we given access to network connections to, for instance, the audio output of an airport express? I am still left wondering about the state of future iphone media capabilites, and synchronization with a Mac. Obviously developers are given access to the media, and networking stacks.

Should this translate to easy implementation of a WiFi sync between iTunes and the iphone?

What about API access to the internal ipod library? Will we be able to write apps to automatically download podcast updates over-the-air?

And what about media streaming? using this sdk, are we given access to network connections to, for instance, the audio output of an airport express?

]]> By: Charles Martin http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-181 Charles Martin Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:01:25 +0000 http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/03/06/iphone-sdk-more-pros-than-cons/#comment-181 While I'm sure the flash debate is important on some level, I as a typical user haven't missed it a bit. Remember that the place users most often encounter Flash is in web site ADS, and I think you'll understand where I'm coming from. Yes, the lack of flash "locks out" a few web sites and some game possibilities on the iPhone. That's why I also have a computer. What I use my iPhone for (apart from calls) is checking my email, surfing a few important sites, and some diversionary stuff (mostly covered under the iPod part of it). Flash isn't a huge consideration. At best it's a very minor inconvenience. While I’m sure the flash debate is important on some level, I as a typical user haven’t missed it a bit. Remember that the place users most often encounter Flash is in web site ADS, and I think you’ll understand where I’m coming from.

Yes, the lack of flash “locks out” a few web sites and some game possibilities on the iPhone. That’s why I also have a computer. What I use my iPhone for (apart from calls) is checking my email, surfing a few important sites, and some diversionary stuff (mostly covered under the iPod part of it).

Flash isn’t a huge consideration. At best it’s a very minor inconvenience.

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