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	<title>Comments on: DVDs are so yesterday; Welcome to TedFlix</title>
	<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/</link>
	<description>Ted Landau is the founder of MacFixIt.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Met too</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Met too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-104</guid>
		<description>I'm a big big fan of music, and an audiophile to boot (I listen to music the way most people watch tv). The compelling factor for me is not having to put aside physical space for a library of thousands (in my case) of discs that is still, and almost certainly will continue to be, growing. I have found that 256kbps AAC is really pretty great on a high end system. I would imagin a true cinema enthusiast might feel the same. Make no mistake, this IS the future; the only question remaining is how soon it will arrive. Might be sooner than we think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big big fan of music, and an audiophile to boot (I listen to music the way most people watch tv). The compelling factor for me is not having to put aside physical space for a library of thousands (in my case) of discs that is still, and almost certainly will continue to be, growing. I have found that 256kbps AAC is really pretty great on a high end system. I would imagin a true cinema enthusiast might feel the same. Make no mistake, this IS the future; the only question remaining is how soon it will arrive. Might be sooner than we think.</p>
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		<title>By: ckirkeby</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>ckirkeby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-102</guid>
		<description>I am a 49 year old veteran of LP's, cassettes, CD's, Beta and VHS tapes, and DVD's.  I own 2 Apple TV's a very high end dedicated home theater (108" screen) and a have a secondary home theater in the family room.  I have been an audiophile for years buying SACD, direct disk recordings and such.  I have always believed in physical media, however volume and convenience are modifying my thought process.  I now purchase a lot of music from iTunes and have burned all my LP's to digital.  I have rented a couple of HD movies from iTunes and am impressed with download speed and quality.  Is it 1080P?  No.  Can most display equipment in consumers hands today handle 1080P?  No.  Is the difference between 1080P and compressed 720P worth the price?  I am starting to believe the answer is also No.  I really like the Ted Flix concept and believe I would probably skip the Blu-ray option, unless I just needed to spend money on some technology because it exists.  The wife factor is real and I can tell you that picking a movie from a list on the TV and watching instantly will win every time over another piece of equipment in the room and a huge space dedicated to physical media that we rarely if ever watch a second time.  I am leaning towards downloads and I think those with high speed access will make the same decision more than not.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a 49 year old veteran of LP&#8217;s, cassettes, CD&#8217;s, Beta and VHS tapes, and DVD&#8217;s.  I own 2 Apple TV&#8217;s a very high end dedicated home theater (108&#8243; screen) and a have a secondary home theater in the family room.  I have been an audiophile for years buying SACD, direct disk recordings and such.  I have always believed in physical media, however volume and convenience are modifying my thought process.  I now purchase a lot of music from iTunes and have burned all my LP&#8217;s to digital.  I have rented a couple of HD movies from iTunes and am impressed with download speed and quality.  Is it 1080P?  No.  Can most display equipment in consumers hands today handle 1080P?  No.  Is the difference between 1080P and compressed 720P worth the price?  I am starting to believe the answer is also No.  I really like the Ted Flix concept and believe I would probably skip the Blu-ray option, unless I just needed to spend money on some technology because it exists.  The wife factor is real and I can tell you that picking a movie from a list on the TV and watching instantly will win every time over another piece of equipment in the room and a huge space dedicated to physical media that we rarely if ever watch a second time.  I am leaning towards downloads and I think those with high speed access will make the same decision more than not&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-100</guid>
		<description>[quote comment="97"]Reason for those dvd's not looking better than vhs' is that they were made from same old low quality ntsc video master. Original camera negative film has been "HD" for last 60 years. If the camera negatives have been archived properly and film is restored properly. 60 years old movie will look as good as new.[/quote]

OK. I stand corrected.

The quality of the transfer does indeed appear to be the main limiting factor. I erred in not recognizing this fact. FWIW, here's a &lt;a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080207045010AAOaM1s&#38;show=7" rel="nofollow"&gt;Web page&lt;/a&gt; I came across that nicely summarizes the issues.

Still, if a good transfer of an older movie does not exist, then I assume there will be little added value to an HD version of the movie.

In any case, this point (while worth getting correct) has little bearing on the main points of the blog entry.</description>
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Reason for those dvd&#8217;s not looking better than vhs&#8217; is that they were made from same old low quality ntsc video master. Original camera negative film has been &#8220;HD&#8221; for last 60 years. If the camera negatives have been archived properly and film is restored properly. 60 years old movie will look as good as new.</p>
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<p>OK. I stand corrected.</p>
<p>The quality of the transfer does indeed appear to be the main limiting factor. I erred in not recognizing this fact. FWIW, here&#8217;s a <a href="http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080207045010AAOaM1s&amp;show=7" rel="nofollow">Web page</a> I came across that nicely summarizes the issues.</p>
<p>Still, if a good transfer of an older movie does not exist, then I assume there will be little added value to an HD version of the movie.</p>
<p>In any case, this point (while worth getting correct) has little bearing on the main points of the blog entry.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-99</guid>
		<description>MacObserver already wrote about scanning older movies to HD quality:

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/06/12.10.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MacObserver already wrote about scanning older movies to HD quality:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/06/12.10.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/06/12.10.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: John G.</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>John G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-98</guid>
		<description>Everyone is so quick to downplay the Blu-ray victory. I wonder why? They won and that's that. Blu-ray will be the most efficient, popular way to watch video in HD for years to come.

All the stuff that Ted is talking about will NEVER happen. Studios will never get it together enough to come up with a universal, compelling rental scheme, and our broadband (in the U.S. at least) will never reach the necessary penetration or speeds to make it worth while.

We are at the very least years...YEARS...away from any of the myriad of downloadable film strategies offering a comprehensive catalog and drm strategy that consumers will be willing to live with.

Downloadable HD is literally a pipe dream, and the pipes are too small, and fair use of the pipes is in dispute. Blu-ray is a physical reality, a paradigm that people are already used to, and it comes with all the extras and packaging that people want to let them know that they own something.

I've got my PS3, and I'm sure a bunch of other people will be joining me real soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is so quick to downplay the Blu-ray victory. I wonder why? They won and that&#8217;s that. Blu-ray will be the most efficient, popular way to watch video in HD for years to come.</p>
<p>All the stuff that Ted is talking about will NEVER happen. Studios will never get it together enough to come up with a universal, compelling rental scheme, and our broadband (in the U.S. at least) will never reach the necessary penetration or speeds to make it worth while.</p>
<p>We are at the very least years&#8230;YEARS&#8230;away from any of the myriad of downloadable film strategies offering a comprehensive catalog and drm strategy that consumers will be willing to live with.</p>
<p>Downloadable HD is literally a pipe dream, and the pipes are too small, and fair use of the pipes is in dispute. Blu-ray is a physical reality, a paradigm that people are already used to, and it comes with all the extras and packaging that people want to let them know that they own something.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got my PS3, and I&#8217;m sure a bunch of other people will be joining me real soon.</p>
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		<title>By: toke</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>toke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-97</guid>
		<description>[quote comment="91"][quote comment="90"]What do you mean no HD versions of older films exist?.[/quote]
It can be done, as you say, but it won't result in the stunning quality that you see with modern movies. There are old movies that don't look much improved in standard DVD vs. VHS. From what I understand, they won't look that much better, if at all, in HD. That's all I meant. I revised the text slightly to clarify this. Thanks.
- Ted[/quote]
Reason for those dvd's not looking better than vhs' is that they were made from same old low quality ntsc video master. Original camera negative film has been "HD" for last 60 years. If the camera negatives have been archived properly and film is restored properly. 60 years old movie will look as good as new. Have you seen eg. Vertigo's restored version?</description>
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<blockquote cite="http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-90"><p>
What do you mean no HD versions of older films exist?.</p>
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<p>It can be done, as you say, but it won&#8217;t result in the stunning quality that you see with modern movies. There are old movies that don&#8217;t look much improved in standard DVD vs. VHS. From what I understand, they won&#8217;t look that much better, if at all, in HD. That&#8217;s all I meant. I revised the text slightly to clarify this. Thanks.<br />
- Ted</p>
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<p>Reason for those dvd&#8217;s not looking better than vhs&#8217; is that they were made from same old low quality ntsc video master. Original camera negative film has been &#8220;HD&#8221; for last 60 years. If the camera negatives have been archived properly and film is restored properly. 60 years old movie will look as good as new. Have you seen eg. Vertigo&#8217;s restored version?</p>
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		<title>By: Dutch</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Dutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-96</guid>
		<description>Blu-ray is awesome. Since I live in Mexico, it is the only way for me to get HD movies. It has nothing to do with bandwidth, the problem is that nobody will offer HD downloadable content in this country for years. With Blu-ray I can wait until it finally happens, while enjoying gorgeous movies on my big flaat screen TV. Mexico is just an example, there are many countries in the same situation and hence the need for a physical media solution over the next few years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blu-ray is awesome. Since I live in Mexico, it is the only way for me to get HD movies. It has nothing to do with bandwidth, the problem is that nobody will offer HD downloadable content in this country for years. With Blu-ray I can wait until it finally happens, while enjoying gorgeous movies on my big flaat screen TV. Mexico is just an example, there are many countries in the same situation and hence the need for a physical media solution over the next few years.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Rogue</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Rogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-95</guid>
		<description>[quote]Update: After writing this, I noticed that David Pogue also posted a column today on this topic. He takes a much more pessimistic view of downloaded movies. I donâ€™t disagree with his assessment. However, he is talking about the present. I am talking about a hopeful future.[/quote]

Oh, dear.  I found David Pogue's arguments very persuasive, especially once I followed his link to the comparison shots of HD Apple TV, Blu-ray, et al.  Check them out for yourselves.

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/apple-tv-20-vs-blu-ray-dvd-hd-cable-the-comparison/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-"><p>
Update: After writing this, I noticed that David Pogue also posted a column today on this topic. He takes a much more pessimistic view of downloaded movies. I donâ€™t disagree with his assessment. However, he is talking about the present. I am talking about a hopeful future.</p>
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<p>Oh, dear.  I found David Pogue&#8217;s arguments very persuasive, especially once I followed his link to the comparison shots of HD Apple TV, Blu-ray, et al.  Check them out for yourselves.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/apple-tv-20-vs-blu-ray-dvd-hd-cable-the-comparison/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/comments/apple-tv-20-vs-blu-ray-dvd-hd-cable-the-comparison/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dahveed</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Dahveed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-93</guid>
		<description>Call me a dinosaur, but I have recently come to the opinion that watching TV is a compete waste of time.  I am also tired of paying $20 for a DVD that contains advertising that is getting harder to skip and seems to scratch very easy.  Last year I maybe bought 1 disk.  Years before that I would purchase 10-20 disks.  I have kids and it seems now that even a fingerprint on a disk causes problems.

I, like Ted, will not even consider upgrading to a blue-ray player until the price of the equipment drops to less than an $100 and the price of the disks drops below $20.  If neither of those happen, I might never enter the blue-ray world.  Currently, the thought of missing the blue-ray revolution does NOT fill me with dread, but instead gives me the feeling of having found many hours and countless hundreds of dollars to spend actually having a life...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me a dinosaur, but I have recently come to the opinion that watching TV is a compete waste of time.  I am also tired of paying $20 for a DVD that contains advertising that is getting harder to skip and seems to scratch very easy.  Last year I maybe bought 1 disk.  Years before that I would purchase 10-20 disks.  I have kids and it seems now that even a fingerprint on a disk causes problems.</p>
<p>I, like Ted, will not even consider upgrading to a blue-ray player until the price of the equipment drops to less than an $100 and the price of the disks drops below $20.  If neither of those happen, I might never enter the blue-ray world.  Currently, the thought of missing the blue-ray revolution does NOT fill me with dread, but instead gives me the feeling of having found many hours and countless hundreds of dollars to spend actually having a life&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: webjprgm</title>
		<link>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>webjprgm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://blogs.macobserver.com/userfriendly/2008/02/21/dvds-are-so-yesterday/#comment-92</guid>
		<description>I don't care much for commentary and deleted scenes, but there's no way I'd want The Incredibles without the extra feature "Jack Jack Attack."  And occasionally I like to watch a Making-of feature too.  So, since DVDs are about the same price as an iTunes movie anyway (depending on where you buy from), I don't see any reason to buy movies online.

This is assuming, as well, that you have an AppleTV and don't want to watch movies at your friends' houses.

The TedFlix idea of watching watching any movie is very compelling, but I'd never pay $30/mo unless I was otherwise paying that much to buy new DVDs, which I'm not by a longshot. Some people are, however, and it would work for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care much for commentary and deleted scenes, but there&#8217;s no way I&#8217;d want The Incredibles without the extra feature &#8220;Jack Jack Attack.&#8221;  And occasionally I like to watch a Making-of feature too.  So, since DVDs are about the same price as an iTunes movie anyway (depending on where you buy from), I don&#8217;t see any reason to buy movies online.</p>
<p>This is assuming, as well, that you have an AppleTV and don&#8217;t want to watch movies at your friends&#8217; houses.</p>
<p>The TedFlix idea of watching watching any movie is very compelling, but I&#8217;d never pay $30/mo unless I was otherwise paying that much to buy new DVDs, which I&#8217;m not by a longshot. Some people are, however, and it would work for them.</p>
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